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with. even by 300 degrees. give the replacements a break. you may never know if you need one even if they can' be entirely trusted. >> that's it for us tonight. tomorrow night, the annoying brit twit will be back on the air. they never give me an opportunity to talk to anybody but myself. even when he's sitting here. stay tuned. for now, it's "anderson cooper 360." i'm mark mckay at cnn center. the national football league has reached an agreement with the nfl referees association. the end came wednesday night. the end of the lockout effectively replacing the replacement referees. national football league commissioner roger goodell says the regular referees will be on the field to play starting with thursday night's game. the nfl commissioner saying, quote, we appreciate the commitments of the nfl ra and working through the issues to
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reach this important agreement. roger goodell in a statement issued wednesday night a joint statement issued by the national football league and the national football league referees association. so the regular referees will be on the field for week four of the season, which begins on thursday night. a game between the cleveland browns and the baltimore ravens. i'm mark mckay at cnn center. we begin tonight with breaking news that a you will only see here on 360 and some of the details are astonishing. on a day that secretary of state hillary clinton says she is waiting for answers while the fbi investigating the killing of four americans in benghazi, libya, our sources say that not one fbi investigator has step foot in the crime scene. the same sources say the crime scene has not been secured. and those are two deadlines, just two new pieces of
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information tonight. that is not all we are learning. cnn national security contributor fwran townsend is joining us now. as we often mention there is a the former white house security adviser and a member of the cia external advisory commit thai tee and in libya with her employer. and also with us is former cia officer bob behr. you have new reporting on the status of the fbi investigation. what can you tell us? >> it is extraordinary and astonishing to me who worked with the fbi over a decade. you understand when this happens and the fbi opens an investigation one of the first things they do is go to the state department and say please request permission for us to enter this country, libya, get to the crime scene, benghazi. please request that we have the security and ability to do that
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and that we will have access to the scene and access to the individuals that libya takes in to custody. while the fbi made that request to the state department. what we found out today from senior law enforcement officials while the fbi made it to tripoli they have never made it to benghazi. >> they haven't been on them ground in benghazi? >> they have not. it was taking so long to gept permission to go to tripoli, the fbi deployed their personnel to a location in the region so they would be closer. they have conducted interviews of the state department and government personnel in libya at the time of the attack. they have gotten as far as tripoli but never gotten to benghazi. they made a request that the crime scene be secured as we know from public reporting, the state department, we don't know whether or not the state department put that request though libyans and whether or not it was denied or what happened to it. what we know for sure is the crime scene was never secured and the senior law enforcement official i spoke to said if we get there now it is not clear it
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will be of any use to us. the third and critical and astonishing point to me is one of the things we have to do is question the individuals, the libyans have in custody to get to the bottom of this and understand what they are learning. in fact, they made that request with from the state department. that was denied by libya. so the fbi has to pass questions from the state department to the libyan government. they put the questions and you wait like a child's game of telephone, the information to come back before you can follow up. not the ideal way to run an investigation. >> this is amazing information you are hearing from your sources. i want to play something for our viewers from last thursday. secretary clinton said this about this investigation. let's watch. >> we are at the early stages of an fbi investigation. the team from the fbi reached libya earlier this week. >> so she said they reached libya earlier this week. no mention of being on the ground in benghazi.
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you are saying they havent been on the ground benghazi. is she splitting hairs here? >> in fairness to the secretary, it may be she wanted to be coy about where in libya they were for security concerns. that would be understandable. but the fact is it is not clear they have even been inside of libya for very long. they had difficulty and we understand some bureaucratic infighting between the fbi and justice department on the one hand and the state department on the other hand. it took longer to get in the country. they have now gotten there but are still unable to get permission to go to benghazi. >> bob you have been involved in a number of aftermath investigations. have you ever heard of anything like this. where whether it is bureaucratic infighting where they are not allowed in a crime scene or have you heard of anything like this? >> it is outrageous. in the sense that lib kwla is obviously on the edge but i have seen the fbi after an attack
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like this, we're right on the scene. i was secured by state department security officers or u.s. military. the fbi got right in, checked what was missing, checked the weapons and everything else that was used in the take. i have never seen this since the takeover of our embassy in teheran in '79. it tells me, again, that libya is a precarious situation. the state department realizes that the fbi cannot fight its way in to a crime scene. the fbi has got to be secured when it arrives on the ground and there's obviously none. the libyans are not cooperating. if they are not letting the fbi talk to the people they have arrested, and frankly i think those people are probably the types, the usual suspects. they have nothing to do with the attack, but that's just my opinion. this is an investigation that cannot possibly, at this point, turn up very much useful. >> yeah, for libyans not allowing any access directly to the suspects, i mean, what does
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i that say to you? it doesn't portend well at all? >> not at all. it is the libyans they can't decide which side they are on. this is an attack on u.s. soil. it was an act of aggression and if they can't tell us who did it, why and where these people are that they in fact arrested than the libyan government is on the wrong side. >> mr. lake, you broke the story in the daily beast that administration officials knew almost immediately that this was a terror attack. you say they knew within 24 hours. >>. >> it was largely the intelligence community that collected a lot of information that pointed to al qaeda but they were able to point the location of one of the attackers n part because the person used social media. there were a number of clues, if you will, that were outside of the intelligence community. ayman al-zawahri, the head of ail kie ta congratulated them for getting vengeance against
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one of the key jihadists who he asked them to get vengeance on. the date of the attack is another thing. in addition to that there was intelligence coming in and four attackers were identified within 24 hours. >> eli, intelligences sources say they located one attacker using social media. did they know his exact location? >> yes. i'm -- i deliberately withheld details on that because the person, as i understand is still at large. >> fair enough. >> do we know if anyone has targeted or been targeted or arrested? can you say? >> at this point, i have mixed signals. there's a difference. there were 50 people or so arrested by libyan authorities. it's unclear whether they were innocent or guilty or rounding up the usual suspects. in terms of any u.s. actions, nothing has been done at this point. >> you have talked to a number of sources on this? >> yes. i would say as the story was coming ouft, in the aftermath of the attacks, people actually
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approached me and began kind of telling me what i would call the unauthorized version of events. >> fran, you also talked to a senior law enforcement source who corroborated eli lake's report that them knowing within a 24-hour period or short order that this was terrorist -- >> law enforcement sources said to me from day one we knew it was a terrorist attack and we are mystified by why the seniors in the administration have not been clear about that. the other thing is when you look at why hasn't this crime scene been secured? after all we know the militias and libyan government were in benghazi. they were capable of doing it. it underscores why has this investigation been handled, mishandled and so differently from every other international -- >> let me play devil's advocate to give the administration benefit of the doubt or point of argument.
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if intelligence community knew within 24 hours it was a terror attack is it possible administration officials didn't want to say that for security e investigative reason or they wanted to make sure in the fog of battle often intelligence is wrong in the first few hours. >> that may -- i think the last explanation, anderson, that you offer is the most likely. this is an administration, they have been burned by putting early information out there. where they stepped from it and looked foolish. it may be they didn't want to say that. the problem with that explanation is, when the director of the counterterrorism center says it is a terrorist attack the administration is very slow, even up to yesterday when the president's address to the u.n. general assembly slow to embrace this that it is a terror attack despite the fact -- you can't keep pointing to the film and protest when they show up with rpgs and mortars. >> that's the thing, eli,
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arguing against what my devil's advocate question was, they were publicly given a narrative. they were publicly linking this to that video as opposed to jugs saying we are investigating it. >> i think there are two different things going on right now. one is what happened in cairo? that clearly stemmed in part from a broadcaster who had jihadist sympathies talking about the internet video out in june. the second is what happened in libya. that has nothing to do as far as i can tell with the outrage over the video that started from a broadcaster in cairo. i think those two narratives kind of merged, at least in the telling of senior white house officials and other administration officials. >> bob, to you, what is the significance of this and secretary clinton made the strongest statement from the administration making a link between the attack and al qaeda. but you have been saying this
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since shortly after the attack. what do you think is the significance of the information we are hearing tonight. >> i think it is political. i think the white house is reluctant to admit that libya has been lost or potentially lost. no administration wants to admit that and i think frankly we can't blame losing libya on this administration. it was in the works for a long time t. not much they could dochl nevertheless, we have an election coming up and no one wants to take blame for messing up the arab spring. not that they have but this is politics of washington. even when you get a smoking gun, a white house wants to cover it up or explain it away. >> bob, is it too early to say that libya has been lost? >> i -- you know, just the academic stuff about eastern libya and, you know -- i've heard today that there are multiple assassinations around benghazi and different parts of libya where people are settling scores of all sorts of stripes. it is chaotic and going back to the fbi getting in to benghazi
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you can't blame them because there is nobody in control of a large city and a big part of libya. they are -- that's the problem at the root of it. all of the facts point to the fact that nobody's in control. >> fran, a lot of people will say you have societies that have been repressed for generations in a pressure cooker. the box has been open. a lot of weird things come out of the box but maybe long term there is things will move in the right direction, as the u.s. sees it. do you buy that? how do you see it? >> the arab spring is, in fact, a long-term game. but what you have to understand, if it is terrorism that we are seeing and i feel confident based on everything that we know that it is. it raises the question for the administration, why didn't you see this coming? if there was intelligence about the growing presence of al qaeda in eastern libya, increasing threat and presence of libya. >> on the anniversary of 9/11 of
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all days. >> you can't under estimate until you have the answer you are reluctant to call it a terrorist attack. i think there is real problems with how this was handled before it happened. i think that is part of what is driving the hand oflg it. >> amazing reporting, fran. appreciate it. eli lake and bob baer thank you for joining us. we will have reaction from two key lawmakers. let us know what you think. and we're on facebook and on twitter. lib sweet tweeter later on tonight. how one man survived when an avalanche, a mountain of snow came roaring down on top of him. >> we had been having gusty winds throughout the night. so that is keeping you up also. then sure enough a gust of wind came that was with beyond what we felt. i told my partner, greg, that was in the tent with me, gosh, this is a really strong gust. greg said this isn't a gust. it's an avalanche. want to try to crack it? yeah, that's the way to do it!
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moments ago. also on the phone johnny ie zhan sackson and michael turner, republican from ohio. senator isakson, your reaction to this information? >> well, this thing mystifies me. we have an administration without a policy. looking the other way, referring to the tragic death of an ambassador as a bump in the road. i do not understand the continuance of the president to look the other way and not admit this was obviously a terrorist attack. i cannot believe the fbi is not on the ground yet an there's not enough cooperation to get them there. >> congressman turner f the fbi investigators have yet to step foot in benghazi, how is the investigation supposed to be credible. >> it can't b. this goes to the failure of this administration's policies in libya. we have to put it in context of a year ago. the president spent nearly a billion u.s. dollars with warships off the coast of libya attacking the moammar gadhafi regime for the purposes of transitioning libya without a stated or defined policy of who
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we were supporting, what we hoped to gain, the geopolitical view of those who might come in to power an now the president continues to operate in an area where he has no articulated policy and now four americans, and our ambassador is dead and the president is yet to be able to describe what has occurred and what is the president's policy? why is it the president is operating a year after having attacked libya without a policy. >> congressman, to be fair, and support of the president and policy will point out that time was of the essence given moammar gadhafi's intention to go hout house to house and kill them like rats or words to that affect. you and senator jim demint have requested any diplomatic cables that might have come from embassy chris stevens. what are you hoping to learn, senator from those cables? >> first of all, it was myself and the senator from tennessee.
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>> sorry. first of all, cnn uncovered the diary of craig stevens at the scene. the diary said that craig stevens wrote he was in dang ener and on al qaeda's hit list and i cannot believe they wouldn't have sent cables to inform them of the danger and i think that is what happened. i think the state department should be forth right and know what communications they had. and if the united states state department and the country knew in advance of the attack that the ambassador felt like he was in danger of his death or imminent depiez from allocate that sending appalling message top the ambassadors representing america. >> you requested them. can you subpoena the items? >>. >> the committee can move forward and we talked to
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leadership of the committee. if they claim executive privilege and denies it, senator corcoran and i will pursue it. we think the american people, congress of the united states and the family of craig stevens deserve an answer and deserve it now. >> congressman, you have been in briefings about this. what do you make of the narrative that we have heard from administration officials that it was linked to this video and that it is still investigated. and today that within the intelligence community within the first 24 hours they felt confident it was a terror attack? >> well, anderson, i don't think we can give this administration the benefit of the doubt. i think the fact they are trying to blame it on not a terrorist attack comes to the heart of the fact that this is a president that took nato and the united states in to an offensive action in to libya without a clear, stated policy. spent a billion dollars and
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continues to have not a clear stated policy of what our relationship is to those in charge. the geopolitical evolution that is occurring there. at the same time is not providing the type of security that is necessary in the environment that we are in. i don't think there's anybody who in congress or the senate that can articulate what this president's policy is post moammar gadhafi and libya. he didn't articulate it when he began the military action and certainly isn't now leaving americans at risk. >> i think it is to be fair to the administration and there's obviously two republican members of congress. i mean, it's not clear how much the u.s. was in control of events. there were -- events happen around the world and events were happening in libya and the streets of egypt without the u.s. being in the forefront of it. and in many cases the u.s. was reacting, as often happens in foreign policy. the arab spring is not something the u.s. has control over. >> that's right.
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we have to understand that. that said, our experience tells us whether it is the bombings or the uss coal cole. in yemen, libya, because of a weak government. we know al qaeda has the wherewithal to take advantage of that and they look for safe havens around the world and it seems, it appears now that is what al qaeda was doing with libya, trying to insert itself where it was a weak space and take advantage of it to our great debt tremt and tragedy. >> i appreciate your reporting with your sources. thank you very much. in what was likely his last speech at the u.n. general assembly, mahmoud ahmadinejad called for a new world order. as he was speaking rudy giuliani was blasting president obama for not taking stronger action against iran. former mayor rnl religion joins me ahead. how can you get back pain relief that lasts up to 16 hours?
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. mahmoud ahmadinejad called for a new world order at the u.n. general assembly, one not dominated by western powers. the situation of the world and better incidence of history to due to the wrong management of the world and the self proclaimed centers of power who have entrusted themselves to the devil. the older that is rooted in the anti-human thoughts of slavery and the new -- are response able for corruption, ignorance and discrimination in every corner
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of the world. >> action mahmoud ahmadinejad's remarks came a day after president obama said he will do whatever it takes to prevent iran from getting nuclear arms. today at a protest near the u.n. former mayor rudy giuliani said president obama betrayed the people of iran by not doing more to support their freedoms. strong words. spoke to mayor rudy giuliani moments ago. you have been critical of the u.s. policy toward iran. saying the obama administration has a cavalier attitude. how? >> the idea you are going to stop them from becoming nuclear by just saying things like all options are on the table -- >> isn't that what mitt romney said, all options are on the table. >> mitt romney is not the president of the united states. the president of the united states should be communicating he will take military action. >> no person says we are going to bomb you. george w. bush said all options are on the table. >> reagan said he was going to
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take military action and pointed missiles and made it clear. >> so reagan said all options are on the table plenty of times. >> this was a long time ago when bush was dealing with iran. it was seven, eight, nine ten years away from becoming nuclear. it could be months a year two years away. under president obama iran has by three times increased the uranium and made it much more enriched than originally. that's a massive change in a short period of time. of course obama has a bad history of begging to negotiate. wrote a letter to the ie toll ya six months ago wanting to talk to him. >> george stephanopoulos said he had the same red line as president obama. >> we don't know what president obama's red line is since he won't share it with us. won't share it with prime minister netanyahu. he wants it to be as fuzzy as possible. if he wants to do that and communicate that privately to
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netanyahu and the ie toll ya, i'm okay with that. the reality is he wants to keep it fuzzy. my fear is iran will pass the point of no return without knowing it passes the point of no return. >> we don't know what the president has said to an israeli leader but he has said publicly acquiring a weapon is the red line. he just said it yesterday. >> we know he hasn't told netanyahu that. unless she a big liar. netanyahu is begging him to meet with him to set a red line and he is leaving machinen in in the dark which is a terrible mistake. >> yesterday at the u.n. he said we do we must to prevent iran from obtaining, acquiring a nuclear weapon. some are staying we should stop them from having the capable. but mitt romney used the same term when asked by stephanopoulos about acquiring a weapon. >> fuzzy damage language can lead to war and confusion led to the first world war. there is no point in being fuzzy
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about it. >> if iran had the capability of a weapon. >> i'm worried about that because we are not concentrating on the key problem. the key problem is not iran using missiles but having key -- >> look at iraq. we don't have a 2k3w50d track record of figuring out what capability s people have. isn't having the weapon the only thing we can positively say. >> i'm not sure that is not. and i don't know that we don't have good capability. a lot of the iranian scientists have been killed in iran. somebody had good information about who they were, where they were living. >> you are saying that we have been fuzzy and week in our diplomacy but in fact, besides sanctions there's been an assassination campaign against iranian scientist. >> the assassination campaign was from assad, not us. >> we don't know for sure who it was and what involved.
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>> as far as we can tell it was from assad, not us. the reality is his approach to iran has been a conciliatory one. even the sanctions, which are strojer than they used to be, there are 20 exemptions. >> do you see a big difference between what mitt romney would do. >> he would deliver a clear message. he would meet with netanyahu and sit down face-to face with the man and discuss the options. this is irresponsibility. netanyahu has to make a critical decision. he has to decide whether for the sake of his nation he should attack iran. he is entighted to a face-to-face, eye-to-eye discussion with the president to get it straight. the president has a problem with. this bob woodward's book is about president obama doesn't know how to act or deal or meet with people. he needs to put aside personal feelings with netanyahu and sit down with the man for an hour or two and discuss it and more
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important that they discuss it is you and i discuss it. >> appreciate your time. coming up the avalanche that killed at least eight people in nepal. now a survivor speaks. >> i'm like no, this isn't going to hit us. this is going to go by. we picked a good spot. we're in a safe zone. and the next thing you know it just -- we felt a slap almost. m, their very first word was... [ to the tune of "lullaby and good night" ] ♪ af-lac ♪ aflac [ male announcer ] find out more at... [ duck ] aflac! [ male announcer ] ...forbusiness.com. [ yawning sound ]
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a survivor of the avalanche in nepal speaks out. his name is glen plake. one of the most accomplished skiers in the world.
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>> throughout his career there have been many extreme moments. that is some of him doing what he does bechls nothing could have prepared him for when he was camped out on the world's eighth highest peak with three other climbers. three of them are feared dead and glen plake knows he is lucky to be alive. how are you doing? >> i hate to say it but i'm doing very well. i had a great climb manager that didn't let me fly to a hospital or something and said if you are in good shape, why don't you walk down to base camp and taper off this mountain on my own terms and it helped me psychologically. physically i'm beat up. i'm just beat up. been in a car wreck if you know what i mean. >> an avalanche. can you walk me through what happened the day of the avalanche? you were in your tent when it
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happened, right? >> we had been down at camp three and was actually going to -- was preparing for a rest day the next day. we would have stayed at camp three and not done much. there had been some avalanche awareness in the area. so believe it or not, we did, in fact, sleep with our avalanche beacons on. i had my head lamp on reading my daily oceans at 4:30 in the morning and we had been having gusty winds throughout the night. so that was keeping you up also and then sure enough a gust of wind that was beyond what we felt. i told my partner, greg, that was in the tent with me. goh gosh is a strong gust and he said it is not a gust it is an avalanche and seconds later we were off to parts unknown. >> what is that like. one moment you are conscious. you are seeing things and to get hit by an avalanche, what's it
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like? >> i just -- unfortunately i have been in one before. i felt the wind was coming. it was coming, it was coming and the avalanche, the winds in front of an avalanche can be over 200 miles an hour. i'm like, no, this isn't going to hit us. this is going to go by. we picked a good spot. we were in a secluded -- a safe zone. and the next thing you know it just -- we felt a slap almost. i was airborne for quite a while because i did go over through, quite a few s e.r.a. k can, which are big ice cliffs and then i started to feel the actual rumble, tumble of an avalanche, like you have been knocked over by a wave in the ocean before. and i was thinking to myself, my gosh, this is it. this -- excuse me, crying a lot.
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i try to laugh and cry at the same time. i said this is it and then i don't even know. couple of seconds, who knows what later. all of a sudden i felt it come to a stop and i immediately basically started freaking out. trying to, you only have a few seconds before the snow just starts getting hard, like cement. >> so you are actually conscious when it hits. you are actually tumbling over and over and you remain conscious? >> yes. i was conscious throughout the whole thing. what's interesting is the sun was not up yet. when i finally came to a stop, i started to thrash about to make an air pocket or something and i realized i'm on top of something. i'm on the surface but still in the tent and i'm thrashing about and i can't rip the tent open and i realize, wait a minute, i'll just unzip the door. but what was really surreal is i
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had been reading before and my head lamp was still on my head and producing light so even though it was dark everything was really light and it took me a few minutes to actually comprehend what was happening and then i realized, oh, my head lamp's on. any way, as soon as i got myself out, i immediately started screaming and yelling and fwhent to a rescue mode for my friends. unfortunately, remmy, no sign of remy whatsoever. he's literally disappeared. nothing near or associated with his tent visually and greg, even though he was sleeping right next to me. everything that we had in that tent i found except his sleeping bag. >> so they are both still missing? >> they are both missing and for sure -- i came to rest at about 6300 meters or so. so more than 20,000 feet.
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your time is very limited there. again, it was our first day at that altitude. with the rest day planned, i myself was basically standing in my skivies with no shoes or anything on. and in the process of thrashing about i had thrown greg's backpack and his sleeping bag were the same color and as i threw it i realized there was a radio in that. i was able to contact our camp manager, our climb manager and say i have been hit by an avalanche, greg and remy are missing. i can't talk right now i have a rescue to attend to. called them back five minutes later. i still can't talk to you. appear to be okay. i'm still in rescue mode. this went on 20 minutes or so. and i realized i'm not in rescue
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mode anymore. i'm in my own survival mode and realized i better put clothes and shoes on because things were getting fret i cold. >> how do you, it is so recent, i don't know if you have had time to even ploes process it. how do you go on from something like this? your two friends are missing. will you climb again? where's your head right now? >> again, fortunately i was advised by an old veteran to not just jump on a rescue helicopter and took his advice. i can honestly say in the seven hours it took me to walk back to base camp i was able -- not taper off the situation. i wasn't just plucked out of an emergency situation and sitting in a hospital or something somewhere. we had some dirty work to do. i had to call remy's wife. i had to call greg's father and
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there's nine other people, you know involved in this thing, too. so the scene around base camp was kind of interesting. i kind of stayed there. as far as my head is concerned, i was able to leave the mountain, i guess, on my own terms. >> i don't want to ask anything too personal. how do you make those calls to your friend's loved ones? >> it's a pretty intense roller coaster for sure. right now i'm on a kiddie roller coaster. for a while any person i saw aburst in to tears and right now i'm still not completely stable. i'm -- they are hard. of course they are hard. gosh. and you know the sad thing about this whole thing is remy and greg are missing. >> what do you want people to know about them.
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>> remy, his greatest flaw was he was too enthusiastic. [ laughter ] isn't that a great flaw to have. >> let's do this do that. oh, isn't this great. i mean, we had been trekking and everything and we finally got to put our skis on the first day. it was the first day, the day after christmas and you got a new pair of skis. i'm like hang on, remy, mellow out. and greg, i never really knew greg. this was the first expedition together but he was, again, a great guy to travel. you go on an expedition with someone you don't necessarily know and share a tent with somebody for a month and he was just -- he really enjoyed where he was. the really enjoyed the culture and him and the cher pa was -- he was always in the cook tent
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making jokes with the sherpa. any spare time. really enjoyed the -- the summit is the summit. you go on a six-month trip and make one ski run and one summit. that's not actually what it is all about. and greg really enjoyed every minute and every moment of the trip other than the summit. you know what i mean? it was just great. cruising around kathmandu. he was all over the place. really enjoyed the local setting an the travel aspect of the adventures. that's what these things are. they are adventures, whether it is sailing trip or a climbing trip or something. >> a young journalist i knew in somalia named dan elden who died in somalia was killed, wrote in his journal, his journal entry
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is called the journey is the destination. i think that is what you are saying. >> absolutely. it was an adventure. he really enjoyed that. he was a wonderful person to travel with and wonderful skier. we the instructor we never let him down. great stories and pretty high fla lieu tent people that were his clients. it was very nice getting to know him. it breaks my heart that i wasn't able to -- i thought for sure he was going to be right there and we were going to be not a sin cam laugh but going, oh, my gosh, we're alive, dude. >> glenn, i'm sorry for what you have been through and your friends that are missing an our thoughts and prayers are with them and their families right now and i appreciate you talking to us, glen. >> appreciate you guys caring.
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this is not an ordinary event. we're not adrenaline junkies. this is catastrophic. this thing -- there's 30-year himalayan veterans staring up at this thing going i can't believe what i'm looking at. this is a disaster. this isn't an avalanche. >> thank you again. stay strong. >> thank you guys. god bless. he did me today. >> certainly did. remarkable story. coming up, the video of students being pepper sprayed. some sued today. they found out how much they could collect. details coming up next. ally in . but with three kids, being home more really helped. man: so we went to fidelity. we talked about where we were and what we could do. we changed our plan and did something about our economy. now we know where to go for help if things change again. call or come in today to take control of your personal economy.
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